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Info-Hams Digest            Thu, 11 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  900

Today's Topics:
                       Car warranty and radios
                  CB's is possessive; CBs is plural
                  Did CB's used to require licenses?
               dual band radios, full duplex operation
                   FCC Exam questions--ASCII format
    Getting other interested in radio (Was: 2m/11m crossband QSO)
                  Help!  How to Improve my CW Speed?
                          Improving CW speed
               Is there a FAQ on Internet Ham Resources
                        mods for ALINCO DR510T
                            Need ARRL Info
                       Postscript Smith chart?
                      Transverters with TS-140s

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Date: 11 Aug 94 18:56:27 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Car warranty and radios
To: [e-mail]

 I have been following this thread without really giving it any thought, however
 it just occurred to me that I had the same conversation with my GMC dealer
 when I bought my Jimmy.
 We talked at some length about the problem and he assured me that there
 would not be a problem.  If there was, he informed me that GM would be
 happy to provide a computer with a different clock speed to eliminate the
 problem.....

 Troy

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:04:07 GMT
From: pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa![e-mail]
Subject: CB's is possessive; CBs is plural
To: [e-mail]

In article <328o88$[e-mail]>[e-mail] writes

>In article <bote.776459059@access2>,
>John Boteler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>CB's is the possessive form.
>>CBs is the plural form.

In this example, this is the case.

>Mr. Webster says: "apostrophe - a mark ' used to indicate the omission
>of letters or figures, the possessive case, OR THE PLURAL OF LETTERS OR
>FIGURES." We had the same discussion regarding the plural of 73.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, and wasn't it fun? :-)

>
>73's, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (Not speaking for Intel)
>
>--
> Intel, Corp.
> 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
> Chandler, AZ  85226

Well, in keeping with my opinion on the misuse of the English language
by so many folks, including those on TV, and with Bob Greene's column in
yesterday's Chicago Tribune fresh in my mind, here is some information from
"The Gregg Reference Manual, Fifth Edition."  To keep this on the subject
of amateur radio, HTs indicates > 1 HT and HT's indicates a single HT which
possesses something, e.g., my HT's VOX quit working.

ABBREVIATIONS, LETTERS, NUMBERS AND WORDS

a. The plurals of most abbreviations are formed by adding s to the singular.

   dept.  depts.
   vol.   vols.
   engr.  engrs.

b. The abbreviations of many customary units of weight and measure,
   however, are the same in both the singular and plural.

   oz (ounce or ounces)
   deg (degree or degrees
   bbl (barrel or barrels
   ft (foot or feet)

   For a number of these abbreviations, two plural forms have been widely
   used: lb or lbs, yd or yds, qt or qts, etc.

c. The plurals of a few single-letter abbreviations (such as p. for page and
   f. for the following page) consist of the same letter doubled.

   p. 39
   pp. 39-43
   pp. 12 f. (page 12 and the following page)
   pp. 12 ff. (page 12 and the following pages)

d. Capital letters and abbreviations ending with capital letters are
   pluralized by adding s along.

   four Cs
   IQs
   PTAs
   M.D.s
   three Rs
   YWCAs
   Ph.D.s

e. For the sake of clarity, uncapitalized letters and uncapitalized
   abbreviations with internal periods are pluralized by adding an
   apostrophe plus s.

   dotting the i's
   counting the c.o.d.'s
   p's and q's

f. Numbers expressed in figures are pluralized by the addition of s alone.

   in the 1980s
   temperature in the 40s
   sort these 1040s and W-2s

g. The words taken from other parts of speech are used as nouns, they are
   usually pluralized by the addition of s or es.

   ands, ifs, and buts
   does and don'ts
   yeses and noes
   the haves and the have-nots

h. If the pluralized form is unfamiliar or is likely to be misread, use an
   apostrophe plus s to form the plural.

   which's and that's
   or's and nor's

i. If the singular form already contains an apostrophe, simply add s to form
   the plural.

   ain'ts
   doesn't
   don'ts

I'm biting my tongue to not expound at length on medium (singular), media
(plural), datum (singular), data (plural).

But, back to radio.

Also, did you ever notice that most every amatuer you talk to, especially
those driving a vehicle, are never alone?  Either he/she has someone else
in the vehicle or he/she must have an invisible Siamese twin.  "We're on our
way to the store to buy a new rig," "We were working 20M yesteday and
picked up an new one," "We're trying out our new bicycle," etc., etc. etc.


73,

John, WB9VGJ

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Date: 5 Aug 1994 14:16:39 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!triangle.cs.uofs.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Did CB's used to require licenses?
To: [e-mail]

In article <31lc6h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Drumheller) writes:
|>    Our family had one of the last CB call signs back in the late 1970's.
|> So many call signs had been issued that FCC had to start issuing call
|> signs with four letters.  We were issued KAAN9730.  About a year after
|> receiving the call, licensing was abolished.
|>

Yes, that was the beginning of the end.  4x4 callsigns were not (according
to the FCC's own callsign regulations) supposed to be issued to land based
services, so all of them were actually in violation of an FCC regulation.

And then the FCC stopped issueing callsigns all together.  Of course, they
never changed or rescinded any of the regulations governing CB operation,
so you are still required to identify every 10 minutes with your FCC issued
callsign.  This being impossible, there is no way to legally operate a CB radio.
Remember that the next time someone siggests running packet on CB and your
tempted the jump down their throat about it not being a legal form of emmissions.

bill   KB3YV

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 02:15:53 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.media.mit.edu![e-mail]
Subject: dual band radios, full duplex operation
To: [e-mail]

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with both single band
radios and dual band radios.  How do you find the performance compares,
say between a dual band radio set to 2m and a single band 2m radio.
Is something sacrificed in the design, making the radio operate on
two different bands (e.g. are the tradeoffs drastic enough that the
performance of both bands is impaired)?

Looking in the HRO catalog, I see most of the dual band radios also
feature full duplex ``telephone-like'' capability.

Some of the single band transceivers receive on another band (e.g. the
ICOM IC-21A is a transceiver on 2m and a receiver on 440MHz), and also
claim ``full duplex cross band operation''.  Would the reception be
reasonable on 440MHz?  Or would the reception be poor, given that the
IC-21A is really optimized for 2m?

Just wondering if anyone's tried full duplex, and if so, is it better
to do it with 2 separate radios (e.g. a 2m transciever and a separate
440MHz transceiver), or would you get better performance doing it with
a dual band radio, such as an FT530 or DJ580.

--N1NLF;  [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Aug 1994 11:27:42 GMT
From: spool.mu.edu!agate![e-mail]
Subject: FCC Exam questions--ASCII format
To: [e-mail]

Someone asked the other day where the question pools were.
I found them in ascii form via anonymous ftp at bert.cs.byu.edu under
/MorseCode.  I don't know how up to date they are.  If anyone knows,
pls let me know.  Happy studying!

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Date: 10 Aug 1994 17:55:07 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil![e-mail]
Subject: Getting other interested in radio (Was: 2m/11m crossband QSO)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman) writes:
>
> [first part of posting deleted]
>
> The moral is, if you want them to take up amateur radio, you've got
> to let them work themselves into it at their own pace and in their
> own way. Buy them a radio and hook it up for them. Give them a copy
> of "Now You're Talking", and *back off*. With no pressure, they'll
> play with it and figure out that they *can* do it.
>
> Gary

   How true.

   I have a brother in Dayton, Ohio who I've pestered for years to get his
technician class license.  He's hold a BS in electrical engineering
technology, and could pass the technical part of the test without
studying.  He would have to study the rule and reg's, but that wouldn't
take long.  To date, he has yet to purchase a study guide, although he
does maintain some interest in the hobby.  (We did go to the Dayton
Hamvention together.)

   On the other hand, my sister-in-law got interested in the hobby all by
herself.  About four months ago, we were driving to New Jersey to attend
my cousin's wedding, and I had my 2 meter rig in the car.  She started
asking me all sorts of questions about it.  (How does it work?  How far
can you talk?  What's a repeater?)  She finally asked how she could get a
license.  (I never brought the subject up myself.)  About a month later
she got a copy of `Now You're Blabbing,'  studied it for two week, and
passed her exam.  Her call sign is N3SYE.

   Like anything else in life, a person generally can't be nagged into
doing something.  They have to want to do it for themselves.

Dave
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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:34:33 GMT
From: olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Help!  How to Improve my CW Speed?
To: [e-mail]

In article <328fjh$[e-mail]>,
Larry Novak <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <323232$[e-mail]>,
>Yuzuru Suzuki <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I am having difficulty going over 30 WPM....
>>
>>73, Yuzuru Suzuki, AA1JA
>>

I sent Yuzu some ideas in email, but this post triggered some more things
I recall from the days when I could do 45WPM and argue with my mother about
why I should _not_ go to bed and why it was indeed essential to stay up to
0200 local time to work Pacific stations on 80M CW:

>Pracitce, practice, practice ;-)

Ain't no substitute.

>Two ideas:
>
> - On a big CW contest weekend, listen to the contesters. Many good
>   contesters hover in the 30-35 wpm range. Find the ones that are
>   CQ'ing - you can hear their exchange several times to be sure you got
>   it right. Of course, you have to keep moving, but it's good practice
>   for call signs, numbers, etc.

Here is the best on-the-air practice you can find. It was true when I
worked my way up in speed, it was true when I wanted to find people who
could hold up their end of a high-speed QSO and it is still true today:

    Listen on 40 meters, from about 7010 to 7035kc. This is where
    you will find many high-speed CW ops who have been doing CW
    for years and years and can sit there and ragchew with you
    for hours. There is no other band where you will find the same
    consisten concentration of high-speed CW ops with the same
    regularity.

> - Get a computer program that will send random 5 letter sequences. (The
>   one I use is the N6TR contest logging package, but there are probably
>   others that will do this. Have it send the sequence at whatever speed
>   you want, then have it repeat the sequence to see if you got it
>   right.

The problem with this is that you will not make the letter-to-word
breakthrough. I found that high-speed CW was predicated upon making the
mental breakthrough of hearing and recognizing entire words as one "sound"
while copying.

Besides that, machine-generated CW sounds like, well, machine generated CW.
No swing, no cadence, no fist. In a word, Booooring.

I'll still take someone who knows how to use a bug over a keyer any day...

dsa

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:21:41 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1![e-mail]
Subject: Improving CW speed
To: [e-mail]

In article <329cse$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Derek Wills) wrote:

> I suspect that the faster ops don't really know how they do it...  I still
> think I "see" the dots and dashes as I hear the code, and translate it by
> what it looks like (this is at my limit of about 35 wpm), but then I see
> an ad with CW written out on the page, and I have to sound the words to
> interpret them, rather than looking at them, so I guess I am not really
> seeing them when I'm listening to code after all.

***I'd be _very_ surprised if you "see" the dots and dashes at anything
over 10 wpm!  Most people definitely hear the character as a whole sound
above that speed.  It seems a logical continuation to hear whole words at
40+ wpm, although I, like a recent poster, tend to hear as words only
things like "the" and "...tion" and other extremely common strings of
characters.  Again, I fade out somewhere above 30 but less than 50.

>
> It's probably like going to sleep - if you think too hard about how to do
> it, you'll be awake all night.   There was no magic that took me from 0
> to 35 wpm except using the code a lot, and treating it as fun rather than
> a chore.

***Same here.  Of course it was 40 years ago, but I went from 0 to 25
within a year, just using it.  Couldn't afford an AM rig (all there was
back then), so if I wanted to talk, I talked with my fingers.

> The thing I have to worry about
> now is my speed going down, now that I am into my second half-century,
> just from natural deterioration.   Anyone want to comment on whether
> this happens, or is code copying the last thing to go, after you have
> forgotten your wife's name and your telephone number?

***I'm only half a decade into my second half-century, so can't say much
from experience, but I expect that, as long as you can recite the alphabet
in English, you can probably do Morse code.  It's one of those things that
gets burned into your brain like a PROM.  (At least I sure hope so!)

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 21:28:07 MST
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat![e-mail]
Subject: Is there a FAQ on Internet Ham Resources
To: [e-mail]

THe subject says it all, is there a listing of the available ham-radio
mailing lists, WWW, callbook servers, etc in a single listing?

david wb7tpy

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Date: 11 Aug 1994 01:35:39 -0700
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!bethel.connected.com!hebron.connected.com![e-mail]
Subject: mods for ALINCO DR510T
To: [e-mail]

Ross Frederick Blakeney ([e-mail]) wrote:
: hello all, I have the Alinco DR510t and was wondering if there
: were any mods to give it extended Receive.

Try FTP oak.oakland.edu
/pub/hamradio/mods

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Date: Sun,  7 Aug 1994 06:46:14 GMT
From: lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!ncar!asuvax!ennews!stat!aznetig![e-mail]
Subject: Need ARRL Info
To: [e-mail]

I am looking for an e-mail address to the ARRL for information
inquiries..


Any help would be appreciated...


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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:54:14 GMT
From: newsflash.concordia.ca!sifon!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!barde![e-mail]
Subject: Postscript Smith chart?
To: [e-mail]

In article 0808941037370001@130.216.90.102, [e-mail] (Tony Grimwood) writes:
>I'm trying to find a postscript format Smith chart. Are there
>any FTP sites that have it? Any info appreciated.
>
>73
>Tony, ZL1TTG>
>--

Hi Tony, I just put it on our ftp server (131.195.2.131) in the /tmp directory
Look for smithchart.ps.

73 de Clement, VE2HQJ in Canada

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Date: 11 Aug 94 16:08:11 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Transverters with TS-140s
To: [e-mail]

    Hello,

    I am thinking of using my Kenwood TS-140s with a
    transverter for some of the UHF/VHF bands.  I am
    considering the Down East Microwave models, but
    I think they require separate RFin/ RFout lines
    on the "host" rig.

    I am pretty sure that the TS-140s does not have
    transverter input/output lines.  Has anyone had
    experience with transverters and the TS-140s?

    Is there an outboard circuit that can be used to
    switch between input and output and antennuate
    the tx output to mV levels?  The TS-140s has a
    12v 10ma "TXing" signal avaible. Is there a
    commercial product available that switches and
    antennuates?

    I would appreciate any information you could give
    me on this topic.


    Thank you,
    Bill Rogers KA2CKI

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Date: 9 Aug 1994 20:10:36 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <31thk7$[e-mail]>, <327st3$[e-mail]>, <bote.776459059@access2>jpl.nas
Reply-To : [e-mail]
Subject : Re: CB's is possessive; CBs is plural

John Boteler ([e-mail]) wrote:

: CB's is the possessive form.

: CBs is the plural form.

: That's why I was confused by the title.

[.sig deleted]

sorry john, but the "complete secretary's handbook" says ...

   "Use an apostrophe to denote the plural or some other form of an
    abbreviation."

the example they give is "three OK's".

regards, richard kd6lwd

[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 08:11:48
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!s146.phxslip.indirect.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <31u475$[e-mail]>ic
Subject : Re: Wayne Green Live!

In article <31u475$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Cummings) writes:
>Path: indirect.com!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!news2.near.net!news.umass.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.byu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!n
>ws.u.washington.edu!cummings
>From: [e-mail] (Mike Cummings)
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Subject: Re: Wayne Green Live!
>Date: 5 Aug 1994 19:33:57 GMT
>Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
>Lines: 16
>Message-ID: <31u475$[e-mail]>
>References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: stein4.u.washington.edu


>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Don Montgomery <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Len Winkler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>> Wayne Green is the scheduled guest on the live Ham Radio & More show
>>
>>Make sure you bring a cassette recorder with a squeaky mechanism.  Really
>>pisses him off!

>Yeah, but, hey - What DOESN'T piss Wayne off?

Now, come on guys. Wayne is a character, yes; but, that's what makes the
world go around. He has some very good ideas, some strange ones too,
but he DOES get people talking. And some of his ideas aren't all that bad!
SSB is still a good mode, I'm told. And, although I don't really agree, there
are many, like Wayne, who don't likewhat the ARRL does. But remember,
Wayne is a Life Member of the League. On the show, we may discuss
Wayne's new cure for aids by Electromagnetic waves, or how easy it is
for all to do Cold Fusion, or????
73, Len, KB7LPW
PS. Put a little fun in your life!

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Date: 5 Aug 1994 14:36:52 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!wizard.uark.edu!comp![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>wa.ed
Subject : Re: .52 beacon legal? (was: Amateur Radio Newsline #885 31 Jul 94)

[e-mail] writes:

>David R Tucker <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I was under the impression that automatically controlled beacons on 2
>>meters were restricted to 144.275-144.300 (97.203d).  How, then, can
>>this be legal?  And anyway, does continuous MCW on the National
>>Simplex Frequency, even locally, qualify as good practice?
>
>
>Here Here!
>I found this very disturbing as well, and i thought that
>it showed baltant disregard for the band plan.  146.52

What was really sad, IMHO, was that no one on our local net caught it!  (I
would have commented, but my QTH is in a hill shadow from the repeater)

Refresh my memory: Is it *illegal* or just poor operating practise
(clearly, it's the latter).

Peter Laws <[e-mail]>  |"That's one small step for man, one giant
n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam    | leap for Mankind" - Neil Armstrong 7-20-69

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